[DWJ] Game of Thrones

Deborah Meghnagi Bailey deborah at brightweavings.com
Thu Apr 28 10:26:57 EDT 2011

I'm not a huge fan of the books, but I have read them, and I re-read
relatively recently in preparation for the show.

So far, while they've obviously had to leave details out for space, the show
is almost 100% faithful to the story of the book. They've made the two
younger Stark boys slightly older than they are in the book, and they added
in the scene where Cersei and Jaime discuss the death of Jon Arryn to give
us some back story. The scene with Tyrion and the whores was made up (he
certainly frequents whores as individuals but there's no group sex scene
anywhere in the books). They also changed some of the plot details of the
Dothraki storyline while remaining essentially true to it.

The prologue scene isn't exactly in the book, but the spirit of it is
accurate - the things the three men of the watch see are present beyond the
wall, and in the first book of the series, these things are beginning to

The books are certainly not high fantasy - they are much more about a
medieval sort of political intrigue, with various slightly fantastical
elements beginning to threaten the world of men. Even by the end of book 4,
which is where the series stands currently, none of these threats have fully
actualized and it's much more about the fighting between the various houses
of Westeros. I enjoyed it for its complex characters and shading of good and
bad, but the last book I found very boring and I'm concerned GRR Martin is
losing hold of his world. The next book is supposed to be published in July,
which is six years after the last one was published, and there are supposed
to be another two books after that, to complete the series. We'll see.

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I haven't read the books, and I was definitely more reacting to the tv show,
and how if there's anything like a cliche, television is going to hit it
hard. I'd be really interested to know how faithful the show is to the
books, if there is anyone who has experienced both.


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Martha Hixon <marthahixon at gmail.com> wrote:

> George R. Martin is not Jones, that is certainly true. But Jones didn't
> write epic fantasy series, she spoofed them--really effectively! So maybe
> it's the genre as a whole that Robyn is reacting against. From what I
> Martin is considered one of the best currently writing in that genre,
> mainly
> for his anti-heroic fantasy themes and complex storylines, I think. (I get
> this info from my older son, who is a huge DWJ fan but also really likes
> Martin and is pretty well read in fantasy in general). Martin is the
> anti-Tolkien of today for the genre, he says--good and evil are muddied,
> lots of political intrigue, and certainly sex. Supposedly more "realistic"
> secondary world fantasy in terms of human nature.
> We should realize, of course, that the series is a TV adaptation of the
> books--pretty faithful overall, I think, but still, a visual adaptation,
> and
> thus things like settings and how characters look are emphasized in ways
> that may be different from how a reader experiences the text. I only
> watched
> the first episode, to be honest--there was an overemphasis on the sex in
> Martin's books at the expense of cutting some other subplots out (probably
> to draw in a viewing audience!). But I'll also admit that I've just
> the first half of the first book.
> I don't think I'll be getting into either the TV series or the books
> anytime
> soon, though. I just finished Greg Keyes's *The Briar King*, which is the
> first of his series Kingdom of Thorn and Bone. It's got some interesting
> historical elements that I found fun.
> Martha
> Dr. Martha P. Hixon
> Department of English
> Middle Tennessee State University
> Murfreesboro, TN 37132
> 615-898-2599 / mhixon at mtsu.edu
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:36 PM, rohina <rohinax at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't know if any of you are watching this, but I watched episode 1,
> and
> > the whole thing constantly made me think of DWJ and the Tough Guide. The
> > show manages to tick every cliche box possible.
> >
> > Tell me it's not just me!
> >
> > (Also, if Tough Guide had had a more adult audience, I bet there would
> have
> > been an entry on sex, Doggy Style)
> >
> > robyn
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