[DWJ] Ansible this week--t-shirts.

Farah.sf farah.sf at gmail.com
Tue Jul 6 04:54:28 EDT 2010

Thank you very much Minnow.

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On 6 Jul 2010, at 09:42, Minnow <minnow at belfry.org.uk> wrote:

> Farah Mendlesohn wrote:
>> Dear All
>> Many of you will have seen the following comment in Ansible
>> *Outraged Letters.* <http://news.ansible.co.uk/a276.html#19> *Diana  
>> Wynne
>> > Jones* loves her fans: 'Meanwhile the DWJ List, having supplied  
>> me most
>> > generously with a vast bouquet of exotic blooms and a fine  
>> picture, are now
>> > selecting quotes from my books to put on T shirts. Farah  
>> Mendlesohn has
>> > pronounced this a breach of copyright, but since I have said I  
>> don't mind in
>> > the least, I don't think it is. Actually my own favourite quote  
>> is a
>> > sentence from a student thesis I was once sent: "Jones disagrees".
>> > Understand that this applies to Farah and not the List.'
>> >
>> As I have now had two people (one on LJ) suggest that I am "anti- 
>> fan" I have
>> asked Dave Langford to print the following, and have sent him a  
>> record of
>> the conversation as proof. (I have asked him not to use any names  
>> but my own
>> and that of Roger Burton West who also chimed in to explain  
>> copyright).
>> Some of you will think I am over reacting, but Ansible has  
>> thousands of
>> readers, and I am well enough known in fandom and academia that  
>> this could
>> (and already has) damage my reputation.
>> The initial conversation began when someone suggested it would be  
>> fun to
>> > choose t-shirt slogans. It was only when someone suggested  
>> printing them in
>> > bulk and selling them, that I pointed out that this might be a  
>> breach of
>> > copyright, and I suggested that someone contact Diana for  
>> permission. This
>> > was corroborated by Roger Burton West. Diana sent a message to  
>> the list
>> > granting permission. (Farah Mendlesohn)
> I am absolutely certain that this was not meant to hurt Farah.  How  
> beastly that it has.  I am sorry this has happened.
> "Jones disagrees" is a running joke between Diana and her *cat*  
> about the time of supper, and certainly wasn't meant to be against  
> Farah-as-Farah, just continuing the joke.  I suspect Diana may have  
> been in contact with Langford at or just before cat-supper-time.
> I am absolutely certain that neither Langford nor Diana had any idea  
> that this mild joking of theirs might set the hounds on someone whom  
> they both like, and whom neither thought to have behaved wrongly.
> I am quite certain, because I have anxiously asked her, that Diana  
> was not anti-Farah about this, and you can quote me.
> I'm also certain that the Langford wasn't, because I asked him too.
> I think that anyone who would be nasty to Farah about it is behaving  
> in a very anti-fan way him- or herself, and for the record I  
> absolutely agree with Farah that it was polite to ask, and I cannot  
> see how suggesting that someone should ask if Diana minded was in  
> any way a bad thing to do.  Nor does it seem to me to be anti-fan to  
> wish to protect the fans from possible litigation or bad feeling.
> The thing that would be bad would be bulk-manufacture and sale, and  
> that isn't a fan-thing at all, using a much-loved author's words to  
> make a fast buck, so I don't see how saying that would be a bad idea  
> was anti-fan anyhow.
> Doh, some people...
> Farah, quote me too if you want.  I was the one who asked Diana  
> about it so if you are being accused that is my fault and I am very  
> sorry about it.
> If it is mentioned to me I shall of course SMITE anyone suggesting  
> you were at fault: you were not, and nor were you in the least anti- 
> fan.  There is a difference, after all, between an individuals doing  
> something for a one-off, and someone making it into a business  
> venture.  One is fannish, the other would be a breach of copyright  
> and bad behaviour, as you pointed out.
> Minnow
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