[DWJ] short complete quest fantasies
deborah.dwj at suberic.net
deborah.dwj at suberic.net
Sun Jun 21 17:36:47 EDT 2009
So many suggestions of books I've never read, and with
explanations of why they qualify. Thank you, everyone! *rushes
off to develop ILL list*
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009, Mark Allums wrote:
> Are you familiar with Labyrinth?
OMG yes. A friend of mine says "I hit puberty to that movie"
which I think is a pretty accurate representation of how lots of
tween girls at the time felt about David Bowie, Androdgynous King
of the Glam-Goblins.
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Chris Dollin wrote:
> On Saturday 20 June 2009, Alina wrote:
>> What about the Riddlemaster trilogy by Patricia McKillip?
> I think it would make a good /contrast/ with the Epic Fantasy
> Quest stereotype, but Deborah has Dark Lord for that.
<small voice>Also I confess I, er, don't like it.</small voice>
Please don't take away my YA fantasy points!
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Farah Mendlesohn wrote:
> Please not Terry Brooks! The Sword of Shannara is almost as bad as Eragon.
In many of the same ways, even!
> I'd recommend Prydain even tho it is five books because the first three are
> very slim.
I'm thinking about maybe assigning all of them except for book 3,
which is skippable from an arc perspective.
> But otherwise you are going to have to go back to pre-1975 when quest books
> started swelling, and there just aren't that many. They were very popular in
> the 19th century but rather faded from view until Tolkien and Lewis revived
> them (sword-and-sorcery isn't quite the same thing).
I find this so odd, because they are so very prevalent in that
sector of 1980s adult fantasy which was heavily read by older
children and teens.
> Maybe Robin McKinley's The Blue Sword?
Hmm, that's a thought. A bit of a cross between Farm Girl and
Portal, wanders all over Damar with her trusty band, dumps a
bloody great load of rock on the Dark Lord's head, gets the boy.
Although there's also a bit of the predecessor for the girl!hero
sword and sorcery/romance which led to Tortall and Graceling.
Bit of each, really.
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Gili Bar-Hillel wrote:
> 3. the better the book, the more it strays off formula, or deliberately
> subverts a formula. So if you're looking for a book to perfectly demonstrate
> a formula, you might actually prefer looking at mediocre books... I say go
> for "Eragon".
I've thought that! The Belgariad is a noteable exception to the
"highly formulaic quest fantasies are usually dreadful" rule. And
it is still... what it is.
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Mark Allums wrote:
> You realize, they should read Joseph Campbell's _The Hero's Journey_? And/or
> _The Hero of 1000 Faces_?
Most of them are getting that in other parts of the program,
although irritaingly the program, though it has requirements,
doesn't have a required order for taking classes. So they read
Campbell in Theory, for studying archetypal criticism, but may not
have had that class yet.
Also, Mark and Farah, i have to say that this willingness to see
past the easy misunderstandings of the internet into how we have
been misconstrued or said something badly is why I love everyone
here, scholar or fan or what-have-you.
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