[DWJ] Re: Gotten, was Re: DWJ on Bujold

Anna Zofia Skarzynska ania.s at tiscali.co.uk
Thu May 29 17:36:24 EDT 2008


To me it feels like a perfective prefix- as in, the action only happens once 
and is finished as opposed to being continuous. Have I got something there?

Ania


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin Fine" <colin at fine.me.uk>
To: "Diana Wynne Jones discussion" <dwj at suberic.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [DWJ] Re: Gotten, was Re: DWJ on Bujold


> Minnow wrote:
>>> Helen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it's similar to the "ge-" prefix on past participles in 
>>>> German --
>>>> that is what it "felt" like :-)
>>>>
>>
>> deborah commented
>>
>>
>>> I don't speak any Yiddish (well, some Yinglish), but I've grown
>>> up around enough of it that this German prefix is part of my
>>> vocabulary in certain rude instances. As in "at the end of
>>> Archer's Goon, Archer's plans get totally gefucked."
>>>
>>> Interestingly, the English equivalent of "be-" is a prefix I add
>>> on other words, but not rude ones. For example, "help! I've been
>>> becatted!"
>>>
>>
>> I suppose that the English word 'bespatter' has its 'be' ultimately from
>> the same source, also 'begrime', 'besmear', 'belittle' -- in fact most of
>> the ones I think of immediately are boo-words, apart from 'become'!
>>
>>
> Bejewel, beget, bedizen, beloved, begin, bestir, belong are positive or 
> neutral.  But I agree that the majority are negative in connotation.
>
> Colin
>
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