[DWJ] Re: Gotten, was Re: DWJ on Bujold

Otter Perry ottertee at silverwinggraphics.com
Wed May 14 16:54:01 EDT 2008


Nobody's forgetting that "gotten" is perfectly acceptable
on the west side of the pond, right?


On May 14, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Minnow wrote:

>> jenne at fiedlerfamily.net wrote:
>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 06:52:17PM +0100, Minnow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OED: 1. Obtained, acquired, won (chiefly with accompanying  
>>> adverb). Now
>>> rare, exc. in ILL-GOTTEN.
>>>
>> ...
> and Colin demurred:
>
>> Yes, but that adjectival use is not in contention. It is  
>> acceptable on
>> both sides of the Atlantic, and I think equally rare both sides. I  
>> think
>> what Minnow was talking about (though she was not specific about  
>> it) was
>> 'gotten' as the past participle of 'got'.
>
> Yes; sorry, that was what I meant.
>
> 'Verbs that go to en' once led to me making a list, I forget why,  
> and to my
> astonishment it is still around in a file called 'en-words'.
>
>
> bound, bounden (for bounded)            deliberately archaic
> Braze, brazen (for brazed)              deliberately archaic
> carve, carven (for carved)              deliberately archaic
> chide, chidden                          deliberately archaic
> drive, driven                           normal
> get, gotten (for got)                   deliberately archaic
> give, given                             normal
> prove, proven (for proved)              deliberately archaic
> rive, riven                             deliberately archaic
> strive, ? striven (?for strived?)       deliberately archaic
> write, written                          normal
>
> bright, brighten                        normal
> fright, frighten                        normal
> heighten (not "height" as a verb)       normal
> lighten (ditto)                         normal
>
> light down, lighten down (for lighted down)   deliberately archaic
>
>
> Goodness knows what that was about: perhaps I had been reading  
> forsoothly
> fantasy too much, or something.  That last example does look that way!
>
> Anyone got any I ought to add, while I know where they all are?  :-)
>
> Minnow
>
>
>
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