[DWJ] Northern Lights movie- very slight spoilers

Ian W. Riddell iwriddell at gmail.com
Fri Dec 14 10:05:08 EST 2007


One more thing

I need to amend my "non-straight people not being present" comment.

Of course, I forgot Baruch and Balthamos who are clearly, to me, deeply,
deeply in love with each other.

widdy



On Dec 14, 2007 9:00 AM, Ian W. Riddell <iwriddell at gmail.com> wrote:

> (this rambles a bit, sorry)
>
> My response to the movie was "meh"
>
> I thought the casting was brilliant. My vision of Mrs. Coulter as I read
> the book was Nicole Kidman and she certainly lived up to my expectations.
> The girl who played Lyra was perfect - as was Lee Scoresby.
>
> But I came away unimpressed. It looked pretty. The people playing the
> parts were perfect. But the interior world was just missing. And it all felt
> like set-up.
>
> And although I was willing to forgive Peter Jackson and crew for
> realigning the contents of the 3 books when they made the Lord of the Rings
> movies (in fact, it worked better that way - imagine Sam and Frodo spending
> as much time getting across Mordor as they did in the book!) - in this movie
> I felt shortchanged and disgruntled by the early ending. One of the big
> thrusts of the book is Lyra's taking the alethiometer to Asriel - and the
> emotional impact of what happens then is the real climax of the book, not
> the battle with the Tartars. And it's parallel with the ending of the second
> book, now that I think of it.
>
> As for the books and Pullman's atheism. If he says he's an atheist, he's
> an atheist. But I've always been a bit puzzled by those who say the book is
> anti-Christian or anti-religious. It reads to me as anti-authoritarian and
> anti-dogma. And actually, the movie's changes on that count didn't bother me
> too much. When the "bad" guys start railing about heresy and curtailing free
> will it's pretty clear what's going on.
>
> (spoiler)
>
> My reading of the books is that the death of the Authority is not the
> death of "God the Creator" - but the death of the usurper - the angel who is
> pretending to be the creator. In fact, that's explicitly stated in the book.
> This is the demiurge (in Gnostic terms).
>
> I adore the books. They thrill me. Lyra and Will and Mrs. Coulter and
> Baruch and Balthamos and Hester and Serafina and Mary Malone are masterful
> creations. And I love the daemons - I love the idea. I do have trouble with
> the fixed form the daemons eventually take - a "servant's" daemon is always
> a dog - it's a bit (more than a bit) classist and doesn't allow for much
> personal change.
>
> Personally, I don't see homophobia as much as heteronormativity or
> heterosexism. Non-straight folks just aren't very present except for one
> mention.
>
> I'm consciously forgiving those things or living with the tension they
> call up because I love the rest of this world so much. Every time I go back,
> I see and feel more (like the father resolutions at the end of the first two
> books - which I just realized writing this note).
>
> The movie had almost none of that. So, while it didn't offend me (the way,
> say, The Grinch movie offended me), I'm certainly not waiting with bated
> breath for the next one (the way I was for The Two Towers or The Return of
> the King).
>
> widdy
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 4:57 PM, Anna Zofia Skarzynska <ania.s at tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > I've just been to see The Golden Compass and I must say I enjoyed it on
> > the whole, despite some pretty drastic alterations and 'adjustments' to the
> > plot.
> >
> > It rather galloped through the book, missed lots out, squished parts
> > together, shuffled events around and certainly dumbed the whole thing down.
> > Also, they chose to end it sooner than in the book, but that sort of makes
> > sense (the omitted final events lead straight into the plot of the next
> > book, so they'll sit just as well at the beginning of the next movie if they
> > make it). Also, as it's now (sadly) a 'family' movie, they had to have a
> > happyish ending. However, evil woman that I am, I am pleased to report that
> > my friend's daughter (9 or so, I think) cried with fear for most of the
> > film- so it's not all sweetness and light.
> >
> > The daemons were OK- not too cute- I have yet to see a well-realized
> > animated cat, though. They are always that little bit wrong. Pantalaimon as
> > cat reminded me of a tabby Garfield.
> >
> > On the plus side, the casting was excellent, Lyra was perfect, and
> > visually it was stunning and just right. It means that I can now reread the
> > books and recreate it in my head, but with the real plot.
> >
> > I do wonder whether a 'director's cut special extended edition' or some
> > such will ever be available. I'd watch that. Especially with some added
> > blood. There was practically none in the film, despite quite a bit of
> > fighting. Even after the white polar bears fought on the white snow they-
> > and it- remained oddly white. Hmmmm.
> >
> >
> > Ania
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>
>
> --
> Honor can exist anywhere, love can exist anywhere, but justice can exist
> only among people who found their relationships upon it.
> - Ursula K. LeGuin "Powers"
> ----
> Ian W. Riddell
> Director of Music Ministry, James Reeb UU Congregation
> Artistic Director, Perfect Harmony Men's Chorus
> iwriddell at gmail.com / riddell at perfectharmonychorus.org




-- 
Honor can exist anywhere, love can exist anywhere, but justice can exist
only among people who found their relationships upon it.
- Ursula K. LeGuin "Powers"
----
Ian W. Riddell
Director of Music Ministry, James Reeb UU Congregation
Artistic Director, Perfect Harmony Men's Chorus
iwriddell at gmail.com / riddell at perfectharmonychorus.org


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