[DWJ] Re: Dwj Digest, Vol 20, Issue 53

Sally Odgers sodgers at iinet.net.au
Tue Apr 24 08:01:47 EDT 2007


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>   1. Re: Asking again... (Dorian E. Gray)
>   2. Re: York (Susanna Victoria)
>   3. RE: Re: Dwj Digest, Vol 20, Issue 43 (Juliette Curtis)
>   4. Re: Re: Dwj Digest, Vol 20, Issue 43 (Judith Ridge)
>   5. RE: Cats - on topic (Juliette Curtis)
>   6. RE: Sex/gender (was Any number of threads and...
>      somethingelse....) (Juliette Curtis)
>   7. Re: Sex/gender (was Any number of threads and...
>      somethingelse....) (Otter Perry)
>   8. Re: Sex/gender (was Any number of threads and...
>      somethingelse....) (Otter Perry)
>   9. Re: Byron (was long ago thread called Book recommendations)
>      (Paul Andinach)
>  10. Re: Byron (SPOILERS for A Tale of Time City) (Ika Willis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:28:22 +0100
> From: "Dorian E. Gray" <israfel at eircom.net>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Asking again...
> To: "Diana Wynne Jones discussion" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> Hallie said...
>
>> Judith:
>>
>>>So, did we get to see Dorian's wedding photos?
>>
>> Sorry!  Thought Dorian would likely reply.  Here's the link to their
>> flickr account: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7605149@N03/
>
> I've been holding off on announcing them until we get the "official" ones,
> so that there'll be a really big collection there.  But they're taking so
> long that this was probably silly.
>
>> (Most of the ones 'taken by Hallie', are actually taken by Charlie, in
>> case anyone is wondering about the amazing job with the self-timer and
>> running in the dress and all.  But not the 'Wedding Morning sewing', 
>> which
>> I really took and love.  Even with my lack of photography skills, she
>> looks so like a Vermeer.)
>
> ::blink:: I do?
>
> Judith said...
>
>> Thanks, Hallie. I'm not sure who is who, apart from the obvious bride and
>> groom. What gorgeous outfits! I absolutely love the dresses.
>
> Hallie seems to have done a good job of identifying the people at the top
> table (though Mart is not, in fact, a LARPer, just an ordinary gamer).
>
> Thank you for the compliments on the dresses; I shall pass them on to my
> mother, who (as Hallie said) designed and made them (well, made most of
> them; Sue made her own).
>
>> Congratulations, Dorian (although I can hear Lorelei Gilmour's mother in
>> my
>> head saying, "You congratulate the groom, you offer the bride best
>> wishes").
>> It looks like it was a perfect day and I hope the future is as sunny.
>
> Thank you.  Yes, it was an utterly lovely day, weather-wise and in every
> other way.
>
> Until the sky falls on our heads...
>
> Dorian.
> --
> Dorian E. Gray
> israfel at eircom.net
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> "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
> - Napoleon Bonaparte
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Susanna Victoria <dragonflygreen11 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] York
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
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> Despite having lived in York (UK) for six months during my study-abroad 
> jaunt in college, I don't know the answer to this question.  Yorkinite, 
> perhaps?
>
> Susanna
>
> Let the heart complete the pattern.
>
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> From: "sodgers at iinet.net.au" <sodgers at iinet.net.au>
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> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:11:16 AM
> Subject: [DWJ] York
>
> Elizabeth said:
> So if you can have a New Yorker, and a person from the county of
> Yorkshire would call themselves a Yorkshireman or a Yorkshirewoman, what
> about a resident of the city of York? Is it different for York, England
> than for other Yorks - Canada, for instance?
>
> I say -
>
> Yorkist.
>
> Sallyo
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> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:24:04 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Re: Dwj Digest, Vol 20, Issue 43
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> Western Australian: Sandgroper
> South Australian: Crow Eater
> New South Welshman/woman: Gum Sucker
> Queenslander: Banana Bender
> Tasmanian: Apple Islander
> Northern Territory: Territorian
>
> I don't know the nickname for Australian Capital Territory or Victorian.
>
> And a bonus:
> New Zealander: Kiwi
>
> Juliette
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of
> Elizabeth Evans
> Sent: Monday, 23 April 2007 4:57 AM
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Re: Dwj Digest, Vol 20, Issue 43
>
>
> but no
>> English word for residents of Amsterdam.
>
> Sally:
>
> Amsterdammer?
> Amsterdamite
> Amsterdamian
> Amsterdame (for a woman...)
>
> Fijian
> Hawaiian
> Samoan
> Transylvanian
> Hamburger
>
>
> In Fiji at the time I lived there (1950s-70s) 'Fijian' was used to refer
> to the indigenous peoples who were Fijian by right of descent. People of
> European descent who were born in Fiji tended to refer to themselves as
> 'Kai Viti' which means Fijian anyway but I suppose showed we were not
> from the indigenous nation. I don't know how the Fiji Indians and
> Chinese referred to themselves. And I don't know if the nomenclature has
> changed over the last 30 years.
>
> Regards
> Elizabeth.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:28:22 +1000
> From: Judith Ridge <Judith.Ridge at det.nsw.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Re: Dwj Digest, Vol 20, Issue 43
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
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> On 24/4/07 11:24 AM, "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I don't know the nickname for Australian Capital Territory
>>
>
> Good point. I lived there for four years as a teenager and I haven't a 
> clue.
> My brother still lives in the ACT >
>
> Judith
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:20:34 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Cats - on topic
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> <Snip>
>
> While I will always fondy remember
> the gay centaur, despite that just being hinted at.
>
> <Snip>
>
>
> I must be a bit obtuse in such matters. Which centaur? How is it hinted 
> at?
>
> Juliete
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:34:55 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Sex/gender (was Any number of threads and...
> somethingelse....)
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> The females of some lizard species can give virgin birth and such 
> offspring
> are always male. The mother might then mate with one of her offspring if
> there are no other males available.
>
> A large lizard (monitor? Komodo dragon?) in an Australian zoo recently 
> gave
> virgin birth. It was the first time this phenomenon had been observed in
> this species.
>
> Juliette
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dwj-bounces at suberic.net [mailto:dwj-bounces at suberic.net] On Behalf 
> Of
> Otter Perry
> Sent: Monday, 23 April 2007 10:37 PM
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Sex/gender (was Any number of threads and...
> somethingelse....)
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2007, at 1:46 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>
>> Like it! Having more than one chromosonal sex has got to be a rarity,
>> hasn't
>> it? But it's good they allowed for the possibility.
>
> Isn't that what "mosaic" is?  My understanding is that mosaic is when
> different bits of you have different chromosomal makeup.
>
> And as for rarity, some of these chromosomal makeups are quite
> rare.  [Incidentally, XO doesn't mean there's an O chromosome.
> It's shorthand for "no partner chromosome" or "zero chromosome",
> I guess.  You notice that there's no such thing as YO.  It's not
> a viable combination.]  [Quite a few jokes occur to me, but I'm
> sure they occur to you as well.]
>
> But lots of people don't realize that there are more than two
> choices.
>
> The piece of information that totally floored me was that not
> everything works the way we work.
>
> In birds, e.g., the homozygotic sex is male, and the heterozygotic
> sex is female.  [I hope I have the correct terms.]  For purposes of
> understanding, it's as though the female is xy and male is xx.
> But in birds I don't suppose they're called x and y.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:43:28 -0600
> From: Otter Perry <ottertee at silverwinggraphics.com>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Sex/gender (was Any number of threads and...
> somethingelse....)
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
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>
> On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Juliette Curtis wrote:
>
>> The females of some lizard species can give virgin birth and such
>> offspring
>> are always male. The mother might then mate with one of her offspring
>> if
>> there are no other males available.
>>
>> A large lizard (monitor? Komodo dragon?) in an Australian zoo recently
>> gave
>> virgin birth. It was the first time this phenomenon had been observed
>> in
>> this species.
>
> Yes.  It's called parthenogenesis.  There was a quite a stir around
> Christmas because several lizards were doing the "virgin birth"
> thing.
>
> Has anybody else read "Gibbon's Decline and Fall"?  Or, for that
> matter, "Herland" by Charlotte Perkins Gilman?
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> If they can get you asking the wrong questions,
> they don't have to worry about the answers.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:46:35 -0600
> From: Otter Perry <ottertee at silverwinggraphics.com>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Sex/gender (was Any number of threads and...
> somethingelse....)
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
> Message-ID: <a0818f1e3e458959659b262ad0deb792 at silverwinggraphics.com>
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> A bit of research reveals that the "virgin birth" lizards were Komodo
> Dragons in England.
>
> So let me check out Monitors?
>
> On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Otter Perry wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Juliette Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> The females of some lizard species can give virgin birth and such
>>> offspring
>>> are always male. The mother might then mate with one of her offspring
>>> if
>>> there are no other males available.
>>>
>>> A large lizard (monitor? Komodo dragon?) in an Australian zoo
>>> recently gave
>>> virgin birth. It was the first time this phenomenon had been observed
>>> in
>>> this species.
>>
>> Yes.  It's called parthenogenesis.  There was a quite a stir around
>> Christmas because several lizards were doing the "virgin birth"
>> thing.
>>
>> Has anybody else read "Gibbon's Decline and Fall"?  Or, for that
>> matter, "Herland" by Charlotte Perkins Gilman?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> If they can get you asking the wrong questions,
>> they don't have to worry about the answers.
>>
>>                                                  -- Thomas Pynchon
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:55:34 +0800 (WST)
> From: Paul Andinach <pandinac at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Byron (was long ago thread called Book
> recommendations)
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
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> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Ika Willis wrote:
>
>> Or did I miss something?*
>
>> *I often do. I was very surprised when Jenny told me that Faber John
>> was [spoiler] in *A Tale of Time City*, and I'd read it at least
>> twice by then.
>
>
> What does "[spoiler]" represent in this case? I can think of a couple
> of possibilities, but none that could be easily missed (although I
> suppose that's the point).
>
>
> Paul, gradually catching up
> -- 
> "Hold fast to the one noble thing."
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:45:19 +1000
> From: "Ika Willis" <blake at gaudaprime.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Byron (SPOILERS for A Tale of Time City)
> To: "Diana Wynne Jones discussion" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> Me, then Paul:
>> > Or did I miss something?*
>>
>> > *I often do. I was very surprised when Jenny told me that Faber John
>> > was [spoiler] in *A Tale of Time City*, and I'd read it at least
>> > twice by then.
>>
>>
>> What does "[spoiler]" represent in this case? I can think of a couple
>> of possibilities, but none that could be easily missed (although I
>> suppose that's the point).
>
> I'll leave a spoiler space, just in case:
>
> s
>
>
> p
>
>
> o
>
>
> i
>
>
> l
>
>
> e
>
>
> r
>
>
> Doctor Willander. Really. That obvious. It appears that I don't read
> the ends of books - I mean, my eyes pass over the words and I *feel*
> perfectly satisfied, but I think my brane just goes 'Oh, so it was all
> sorted out, then', and doesn't bother itself with trifles like *how*
> it was all sorted out. (This does have the pleasing side effect that I
> can reread murder mysteries multiple times.)
>
> Love, Ika
>
>
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