[DWJ] Reviewers

Sally Odgers sodgers at iinet.net.au
Tue Apr 3 12:38:39 EDT 2007


everbard (???) said...
>And I guess they might make a little extra >on the side if they sell the 
>books they get >on eBay, which is a morally-questionable >proposition in 
>its own right.  (Some >authors/publishers don't care, some get >very upset, 
>the books often say NOT FOR >SALE, etc etc etc.)

I say, it IS annoying to find ones books for sale at 10c on eBay before one 
has even seen an advance copy oneself.  In fact, I dislike seeing ANY books 
for 10 c. I have no idea why people do that, since listing them costs a lot 
more than 10 c.

S

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>   3. Cover art help! (Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise)
>   4. Any paid book reviewers out there? (Melissa Proffitt)
>   5. RE: Alcohol in blood (was Gears) (Juliette Curtis)
>   6. RE: ADMINISTRIVIA: list information (Juliette Curtis)
>   7. RE: Incestuous dogs (was Byron) (Juliette Curtis)
>   8. RE: Incestuous dogs (was Byron) (Juliette Curtis)
>   9. Re: Any paid book reviewers out there? (everbard at ix.netcom.com)
>  10. RE: Any paid book reviewers out there? (Juliette Curtis)
>  11. Re: Any paid book reviewers out there? (deborah.dwj at suberic.net)
>  12. Re: Any paid book reviewers out there? (Melissa Proffitt)
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> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:29:59 -0400
> From: jodel at aol.com
> Subject: [DWJ] 13th Enchanter?
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> Someone else may have already asked this and been answered, but I can't
> recall it.
>
> A work called 'The 13th Enchanter' is listed among DWJ's previous work
> in the fromnt of 'The Game' but i cannot place thins story. Is it
> something from a recent anthology or is it something that hasn't quite
> escaped yet?
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> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:47:48 +0100
> From: Minnow <minnow at belfry.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] 13th Enchanter?
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
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> jodel has spotted it!  Yay!
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>>Someone else may have already asked this and been answered, but I can't
>>recall it.
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>>A work called 'The 13th Enchanter' is listed among DWJ's previous work
>>in the fromnt of 'The Game' but i cannot place thins story. Is it
>>something from a recent anthology or is it something that hasn't quite
>>escaped yet?
>
> You win the DWJ Official Congratulatory Pat On The Back.
>
> This title is a complete invention, which escaped from the "other works 
> by"
> list in a previous book, to which it was added by an editor with a sense 
> of
> humour who wanted to see whether anyone noticed.  Nobody did.
>
>
> Well done ye!
>
> Minnow (I have been biting my tongue, and now I can stop)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:53:26 -0400
> From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise <jenne at fiedlerfamily.net>
> Subject: [DWJ] Cover art help!
> To: Diana Wynne Jones list <dwj at suberic.net>
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> I've got the Greenwillow press edition of Pinhoe Egg, and I can't figure
> out who the person on the left side of the front cover is meant to be.
> Anyone? Help? It's bugging me, as I just re-read it.
>
> -- 
> -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net
> "I thought you might need rescuing . . . We have a bunch of professors
> wandering around who need students." -- Dan Guernsey
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:33:40 -0600
> From: Melissa Proffitt <Melissa at Proffitt.com>
> Subject: [DWJ] Any paid book reviewers out there?
> To: dwj at suberic.net
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> I had a MUCH better subject line, but it made the message look like porn
> spam.
>
> I'm mentoring a girl whose assignment was to pick someone in a career she
> was interested in and follow that person around to see what it's like. 
> She
> wants to review books for a living, poor kid, and I'm the closest thing to
> it in our neighborhood.  But since I don't actually get paid for reading 
> and
> critiquing, there were some questions I couldn't answer--namely, how much
> could someone expect to make in this field?  So I'm once again coming to 
> all
> y'all for help.  Any type of review work (freelance or salaried) or
> criticism will count.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:20:59 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Alcohol in blood (was Gears)
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> A year or so ago, I saw a newspaper article about the death of a pilot in 
> a
> light plane crash. The post-mortem found a tiny amount of alcohol in his
> blood, but the air safety people said the alcohol might have been 
> generated
> naturally in the pilot's body after his death. I have no scientific info
> about this but I offer this story FWIW.
> obDWJ: Jason and Roger crashed a flying machine in Pinhoe Egg -- twice!
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:37:11 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] ADMINISTRIVIA: list information
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> <snip>
> I actually can't ObDWJ this one; she doesn't have any characters
> as geeky as me.
> </snip>
>
>
> Spoiler for A Sudden Wild Magic
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> Mark Lister is geeky. All his non-geek attributes have been put into 
> Herrell
> LIstanian.  Rupert Thingummy from DS is geeky too, although not as geeky 
> as
> Mark.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:41:03 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Incestuous dogs (was Byron)
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> I know of two first cousins who got married and had three children. All of
> the children had mental and physical problems.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:41:38 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Incestuous dogs (was Byron)
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> <snip>
> (I should probably note that I have a bit of an obsession with fictional
> incest.
> </snip>
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> Robert Heinlein leaps to mind.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 01:00:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: everbard at ix.netcom.com
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Any paid book reviewers out there?
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
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> <delurks, raises hand>
> I've been a book reviewer for years.  And I get paid... um...
>
> Let's just say it's 3 figures.  Low 3 figures.  A year.
>
> One does not review books for the money.  They do it for the love.  And 
> the free books.
> And I guess they might make a little extra on the side if they sell the 
> books they get on eBay, which is a morally-questionable proposition in its 
> own right.  (Some authors/publishers don't care, some get very upset, the 
> books often say NOT FOR SALE, etc etc etc.)
>
> But from my experience, there's just not much money to be made in 
> reviewing books unless you're working for somewhere like Entertainment 
> Weekly or the major newspapers.
>
> I'd love to hear from someone who's had more success than I have though. 
> :>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Melissa Proffitt <Melissa at Proffitt.com>
>>Sent: Apr 2, 2007 6:33 PM
>>To: dwj at suberic.net
>>Subject: [DWJ] Any paid book reviewers out there?
>>
>>I had a MUCH better subject line, but it made the message look like porn
>>spam.
>>
>>I'm mentoring a girl whose assignment was to pick someone in a career she
>>was interested in and follow that person around to see what it's like. 
>>She
>>wants to review books for a living, poor kid, and I'm the closest thing to
>>it in our neighborhood.  But since I don't actually get paid for reading 
>>and
>>critiquing, there were some questions I couldn't answer--namely, how much
>>could someone expect to make in this field?  So I'm once again coming to 
>>all
>>y'all for help.  Any type of review work (freelance or salaried) or
>>criticism will count.
>>
>>Melissa
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:23:31 +0800
> From: "Juliette Curtis" <jcurtis at harvestroad.com>
> Subject: RE: [DWJ] Any paid book reviewers out there?
> To: "'Diana Wynne Jones discussion'" <dwj at suberic.net>
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> I used to be a newspaper journalist. I reviewed books in addition to my
> normal reporting duties. It was my choice to do this. Book reviews paid 
> AU$1
> per centimetre of published text in a standard width newspaper column. 
> This
> was in the late 1980s. I thought I was doing well if I got Au$50 for a
> review.
>
> I got to keep the books. Sometimes I sold them.
>
> I liked reviewing books because I got to see interesting books that I
> generally would not have encountered otherwise, and I got free books. The
> free books were the real attraction <grin>. The money was nice but it was
> not a significant amount. I did not know any journalist who made a living
> reviewing books alone - those who did it were, like me, doing it in 
> addition
> to their other duties. Features writers tended to do more reviews than
> others, as did reporters assigned to the arts pages, but others did 
> reviews
> as well.
>
> Your mentoree might find the kind of career she wants in publishing, as an
> editor or agent. She might also find a good sideline as a publisher's
> reader, but I would personally not expect to earn a living from it.
>
> She might enjoy the book "According to Mark" by Penelope Lively. It 
> features
> a man who tries to be "an old fashioned man of letters" - earning his 
> living
> by writing biographies, reviewing, and literary criticism. It makes it 
> clear
> that, although the character loves his work, his career has some serious
> disadvantages: he is financially very insecure and sometimes has to
> compromise his personal standards in order to get work or publish his
> writing. There are some delightful phrases in the book, eg "he had been
> writer in residence at anything that would have him".
>
> obDWJ: I never got to review an advance copy of a DWJ book. Drat!
>
> HTH!
> Juliette
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:30:18 -0400 (EDT)
> From: deborah.dwj at suberic.net
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Any paid book reviewers out there?
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
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> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, everbard at ix.netcom.com wrote:
> |One does not review books for the money.  They do it for the love.  And 
> the free books.
> |And I guess they might make a little extra on the side if they sell the 
> books they get on eBay, which is a morally-questionable proposition in its 
> own right.  (Some authors/publishers don't care, some get very upset, the 
> books often say NOT FOR SALE, etc etc etc.)
> |
>
> Ditto, although in productive years I make a low four figures. If
> I reviewed books full-time, at my current rate of pay and given
> how long it takes me to review each book, I figure I could
> technically support myself on the money I took in -- but none of
> the review journals for which I review could possibly send me
> that many books. I've begged; I would love to be a full-time book
> reviewer.
>
> But definitely, book reviewing is done for love and for free
> books, and maybe for getting your name out there in certain
> fields. The money is just a nice perk that helps me justify the
> time spent.
>
> For the record, I review freelance, paid for two journals and
> free for two journals.
>
> -deborah
> --
> You gotta run when God makes you an offer
> You gotta go if someone shows you how to go
> -- Girlyman, "Superior"
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:58:27 -0600
> From: Melissa Proffitt <Melissa at Proffitt.com>
> Subject: Re: [DWJ] Any paid book reviewers out there?
> To: Diana Wynne Jones discussion <dwj at suberic.net>
> Message-ID: <tbt41355ndb5u1e39485vdnfiq84l9mrr2 at 4ax.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> I knew I could count on you guys for information.  :)  So just for 
> details,
> what's the going rate on freelance reviews if you get paid for them? 
> (I've
> already told her that this is not a profession you join to get rich.)  The
> final part of the assignment is a presentation where she has to give 
> details
> like...oh, what kind of education you need to get started in the career, 
> and
> how much you might expect to make starting out, and how do you
> advance...stuff that doesn't really apply to book reviewing, but she has 
> to
> have the numbers.  She's supposed to come dressed the way someone in the
> career would dress.  I told her to wear pajamas.
>
> I've already explained that the other way to do it is to be hired as staff
> by some place like Publishers Weekly, or as staff on a magazine where 
> you'd
> do other things in addition to reviews, but that most of the people I know
> don't do it that way.
>
> MY job is even better.  I'm in charge of an awards program, so I get all 
> the
> books, but I don't have to write reviews for any of them but the winners. 
> I
> get paid squat, but as has been pointed out, the free books are the
> important bit.  I just wish more of them were worth keeping.
>
> I'm trying to help her out on this research as much as possible because I
> feel tremendously guilty.  It's been a ten-week project and she's been
> coming over weekly for discussions, but we pretty much covered all the
> basics of the actual "career" in the first session.  So I've been giving 
> her
> writing assignments--you know, to practice reviewing--and in the process
> discovered that this ninth grader has not had the least bit of instruction
> in critical analysis.  And before you say "who has?" I'll point out that
> this means she didn't even know what theme was.  Her English lit 
> instruction
> appears not to include any reading of actual books.  So what I've actually
> *done* is teach her some basic principles of how to organize her ideas and
> how to express them to other people--i.e. talk about books for two hours 
> or
> more a week, which I would probably have done anyway.  To me it feels like
> nothing--but her mom gave me a thank-you gift consisting of a large
> container of homemade soaps, a lovely mug full of chocolates, and a gift
> card to Barnes & Noble for way more than I even like to think about.  It's
> like being rewarded for breathing.
>
> Melissa Proffitt
>
>
>
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