OT - Irish and German
Dorian E. Gray
israfel at eircom.net
Thu Mar 31 16:44:51 EST 2005
>> To be honest, I started learning Irish at such a young age that I've
>> pretty much internalised the pronunciation rules, and cannot,
>> unfortunately, explicate them. If you want the actual rules, Ania, who
>> learned the language as an adult, can probably help you. But yeah, <oi>,
>> <ea> and <ai> have each their own pronunciation and that pronunciation
>> doesn't change.
> But do they? My impression (which may be wrong) was that <oi> could be /o/
> before a narrow consonant *or* /i/ after a broad one.
Okay, I am not a trained linguist. I do not know what you mean by a "broad"
or "narrow" consonant (broad and narrow vowels I can just about hack). Can
you explain further, please?
In the case of <oi> in particular, all the examples I can think of off-hand
have the same pronunciation of that vowel-pair: oileann; oirthear;
oibreach...all have the same narrow more-or-less "ih" sound that oireachtas
has (I don't know how to do fadas here, but oileann should have one on the
Now, vowels *can* modify the sound of a syllable; the I in my real name,
Grainne (which also needs a fada on the A), causes the "nyuh" sound at the
end of the word. And in the names Siobhan and Sinead (both also missing
fadas, on the A and the E respectively), it's the I after the S that makes
the S a "sh" rather than a "ss". But I don't *think* that's the case
anywhere in Oirechtais.
(Ania, help me out here!)
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