AW: OT: rambles about translation
liril at gmx.net
liril at gmx.net
Tue Sep 21 07:57:22 EDT 2004
Philip wrote (in our attempts to clear up the Rifle Question)
> Technically, a shotgun fires a large number of small lead pellets (shot) in
> a single charge.
Yes, that is what I thought a Schrotflinte is, lead pellets = Schrot. I
don't knwo if there technically is a Flinte that doesn't fire Schrot. Is
a rifle also a gun? I connect the rifle=Flinte notion I had to
Huckleberry Finn in a very hazy way. Anyway, after you explained the
shooting gallery scene, I understand the difference and the translation
problem. The translator probably didn't know about guns and didn't
bother to check. That's not good work, but I think translation "you'r
fishing for compliments" as "Du fischst nach Komplimenten" is worse,
because this expression simply doesn't exist in German and sounds very
> Counties? Does Grafschaft have the same connotations in German that County
> does in English? I thought the nearest German equivalent of a county was a
Erm. Now you've got me. What connotations? Roughly speaking a Grafschaft
is a smaller territory ruled by a Graf. Graf was originally (ca.
700/800) an office, given, together with land, by the king. Later, in
Germany the vassalls swore allegiance only to the next higher nobles,
which lessened the king's influence. From my knowledge of English
history I gather the earls were very influential in some periods (Magna
Charta?!) - in Germany they never had that kind of influence, that would
be the Herzöge/Fürsten, especially the Kurfürsten who elected the king.
Landkreis is a modern term, probably not dating back more than 100-150
years (well, "modern", I suppose). It is linked to
Kommunalverwaltung/Kommunalrecht and the idea of democratic self
governance of smaller units. A Landkreis covers a small area, without
the bigger cities that are "kreisfreie Städte", and fullfils
administrational tasks the smaller communities cannot manage alone.
Baden-Württemberg, the Bundesland I live in has 10 Mio. inhabitants
(third largest federal state), and consists of 25 Landkreisen and 9
Stadtkreisen (same thing, instead of covering an area, it covers a town)
. The Landkreis Breisgau-Hochschwarzwald, covering the area around
Freiburg (Kreisfreie Stadt, v. complicated system, that's admistration
for you) consists of 50 small communities. Okay, I stop now... ;-)
> The earldoms in Dalemark are sometimes called Marks. I take it the word is
> the same in German?
Yes. But Mark seems a more northern/north-eastern term to me, as in Mark
Brandenburg and Uckermark.
> Careless! And Mist is a particularly unfortunate name for a character in
> German, isn't it?
It is indeed. If you're called Manure, no pun is needed.
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