Subject: RE: characters who reverse images of good and evil
vendersleighc at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 19 21:29:51 EST 2004
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, jackie e stallcup wrote:
|My student is also arguing that Harry is not the
classic "hero" but I
|think that he's just the classic "underdog" and
that there are lots of
|characters like him. He points out that
Hermione is not the "ideal"
|female as traditionally depicted, but I think
she's a classic "studious
<In a non-fantasy genre, Agatha Christie's books
are for obvious reasons full
of villains that seem to be nice people and nice
people who seem to be villains...>
This is true for detective novels and thrillers
in general, to say nothing of romantic thrillers.
And in SF there are whole alien races who appear
<I just thought of another example from dwj -
what about Erskine? He's quite ambiguous, both as
the goon and once his identity is
<.....And though it only really shows if one
knows the myth, Eight Days of Luke
does portray the villain (Loki) as more
sympathetic than the heroes (the
rest of the gods).>
Loki has always struck me as an archetype of the
anti hero - many of the tales about him,
especially, his adventures with Thor show him as
a crafty Odyssian kind of hero, nicely contrasted
with Thor's honest strong man type. He's even
rather admirable in the Lokasenna
when he crashes a divine dinner party to tell
the Aesir what he thinks of them all and only
Thor can shut him up -- he's got a lot of nerve.
I always felt very sorry about Loki's eventual
fate and never warmed much to goody goody Baldur
In 8dol Astrid is another example of a character
who starts out unsympathetic, lumped in with the
rest of David's awful relatives, but who turns
out to be nearly as much of a victim until she
Jackie, the problem with your student's idea is
that it's just plain wrong is it not? It must be
quite hard to deal with this without making the
student in question feel an absolute fool......
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