Merlin (with spoilers) Grundo, Coercion

Ven vendersleighc at
Fri May 30 11:52:15 EDT 2003

<Just twigged to another replay reversal here. I 
think someone else refered to 
it as well.

Nick and Maree are similar to Roddy and Grundo, 
of course and blindingly so. 
With no coercions on either side. However. the 
real configuration we are 
getting a flip side to is Cat and Gwendolyn 
chant. In both cases, the younger boy 
is clinging to the older girl, in both cases the 
boy's innate magical strength 
is greater, in both cases the boy has a genuine 
handicap that has to be worked 
around. And in both cases the story is told from 
the point of view of the 
person being used. Where it differs is that in 
this case the girl did volunteer 
for the position in the first place, and the boy 
is not using her for ignoble 
means, he is using her to survive.

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Hallie O'Donovan wrote:

> Hmmm.  Do you think the difference has anything

to do with Grundo's
> using magic to get what he wants, rather than 
figuring out
> non-magical ways to do it?

	Yeah, there is something nastily coercive about 
that, isn't there?
And I say that as someone who *did* warm to 
Grundo, I found him very
charming. But what he did was deeply unscrupulous

and I was very glad to
see that it looked like his father was going to 
try to take him in hand!
(Though I am not sure that Romanov would be much 
use in this context, and
he certainly hasn't shown signs of being a 
stellar father. Still, better
than nothing. Probably.) (Must say I take quite a

bit of fun in imagining
the consequences for Romanov now that it looks 
like he's to be a full time
Daddy!) After all it is one thing to cast a 
glamour on someone when you
are a tot of three in a rather desperate 
situation, it is another thing to
keep that glamour there for years and years as 
you grow older & able not
only to learn to fend for yourself but also to 
understand how wrong the
glamour is. And Grundo *does* understand that it 
is wrong. But it's easier
to keep it going. Mind you if Grundo *had* found 
a non-magical way of
getting what he needed in that situation it might

have been unpleasant
too.  Children in that kind of miserable 
situation can often become very
adept at emotional blackmail or other 
manipulative mindgames, as well as
physical violence, and these tactics can be very 
hard to unlearn once they
grow old enough not to need the edge they get 
from them any more...

AnnaI feel that a magical person using magic to 
coerce someone is
qualitatively different from a non-magical person

using non-magical means
to coerce someone. Both can be seen as people 
using every weapon in their
armouries. Certainly a magical person using non 
magical means to get what
they want is displaying some self control, for 
whatever reason. 

Do we tell a natural runner to 
slow down in the race so the
less gifted can keep up?
>I also thought that Grundo was a weird, silly 
name.  Am I missing some =
great joke here?

I don't think it counts as a joke - but Grundo is

(IIRC) the name of the =
magical land where Teddy Ruxpin lives! Whether 
DWJ was thinking of that =
I don't know - otherwise the word reminds me of 
'grunge' more than =
She opined (very PC) that you should 
never judge people by the way
they dress. I opine that anyone who wears a 
threatening scowl and jingles
with chains and has nasty comments tattooed on 
their hands is likely to be
treated with caution -  and with good reason. 


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