Anna Clare McDuff amcduff at
Wed May 14 18:52:45 EDT 2003

On Wed, 14 May 2003 minnow at wrote:

> Anna wrote:
> >        I had a brief glance at the OED entry for Greenhorn as I was
> >curious to see that they defined the possible Mug root of Muggins &
> >Juggins as greenhorn (though if you look at the entry for that meaning of
> >Mug the words fool & simpleton creep in as well. Obviously popular words
> >down OED way!),
> I nouned the verb briefly there and read that as 'fool and simpleton
> creep', which is a grand insult!  :-)

	It is indeed! You can just imagine the OED office parties 
when everyone's had too much to drink :-)

> >and that is a term defined originally in the 15th century
> >as young cattle with green horns, and then in the 17th centiry entered the
> >wider sense of inexperienced person & following on from that as someone
> >who is easy to take advantage of...
> Do cattle really have actual green coloured horns when they're young?

	I think they meant green in the sense of new rather than the 
colour! Oxen I think it was specifically... 


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