Ania theania at freeuk.com
Wed Mar 20 18:25:43 EST 2002

Oh no, another heretical insight!
I think what Pullman might be saying (and this may well contradict in some
way my other post on the subject) is: what if God exists and he managed to
mislead us into believing he's good and loving - but he isn't?
But let's not forget that HDM is fiction. Pullman's world is very
convincing, but we don't believe in e. g. daemons as a result.
Thanks for the definition of ooky. I thought it was something like that,
sort of squirm-inducing and uneasy-making.
And on a slight tangent, don't you just love the word 'cringeworthy'?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyla Tornheim <kyla at sccs.swarthmore.edu>
To: <dwj at suberic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pullman

> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 Philip.Belben at powertech.co.uk wrote:
> > It seems to me that Pullman has quite correctly identified a lot that is
> > with organised religion in general, and some Christian churches in
> > I loved his caricature in Lyra's world of a Church in which Calvin had
> > Pope!
> >
> > But he then goes on to blame God for this.  Most explicitly when one of
> > witches (possibly the one whom John Parry had rebuffed?) was musing on
the cause
> > of those out to kill God, and concluded that the cause was just on the
basis of
> > the oppression that the Church had committed.
> Yes. yesyesyesyesyes. That is *exactly* my problem with this.
> Because, hey, I'm Jewish and therefore have no allegiance to any
> Church. And I think that lots of religious organizations have done
> horrible things *in the name of God*. But Pullman does blame God for
> this. (And no, I'm not saying "he should have written the book *I* wanted,
> dammit," because of course he has the right to write whatever he wants,
> but damned if I'm not going to analyze it.) I suppose my main objection is
> that even if Pullman doesn't mean to make this seem to people like he's
> attacking *their* God (as in he might be talking about some completely
> different series of worlds than the one we live in), he makes it *feel*
> like this *could* be the God that lots of people here consider theirs. He
> surrounds the deity with all the Biblical stuff that, to my mind, makes it
> seem real, and that's what I found ooky.
> [Ooky, since someone was confused by what I meant, is like icky, but with
> a more psychological and less juvenile bent. Lady Marceny gives me an ooky
> feeling, as does Aunt Maria.]
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