re Deep Secret -- Fairytales
vendersleighc at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 1 20:30:26 EST 2002
> >My last rereading of DS, after seeing what
everyone had to say was
> >enlightening. I was concentrating on two
things, the fairy tale
> >resonances and the way the various magical
manipulations played out.
> Enlightening indeed, Ven - this is great!
Thanks, Ven takes a bow.
> >On fairy tales: Dorian and Hallie were talking
about Beauty and the
> >Beast from the perspective of the characters.
I think there is also
> >similarity of theme. B & TB is one of a whole
series of similar
> >from Cupid and Psyche to the Black Bull Of
Norroway (a particular
> >favourite of mine). In all of them disaster
ensues when the heroine
> >persuaded to pry into her husband's true
nature -- to spy on him.
> And East of the Sun, West of the Moon - the one
which Polly despises,
> right? :) You put B&tB in with this lot
though? I'd have thought
> an important element of the story that Beauty
doesn't do the prying.
> >Secrets, of course, are what the book is all
about. It's Rupert
> >find the next Emperor and a new Magid, both of
which require him to
> >into people's real identities and true nature.
And Maree and Nick
> >are following Rupert around and finding out
what he's up to.
> Yes, that's the bit I'd noticed, and it's why I
included Bluebeard in
> list of fairy-tales that resonate with DS. And
> curiosity" from Bluebeard was an important
element of all the Gothic
> novels. (Tangentially, I'd never thought of
Sophie's cleaning as
> same thing before - and it's yet another of the
wonderful spins put
> fairy-tales in Howl.)
She might have found that stash of hearts Howl
was supposed to have!
there was a heap of bosides to be found in ds
> >I do think the most overt parallels are with
The Sleeping Beauty.
> >I'm not the only/first one to say so but I've
lost track of who did
> >this originally -- I think this discussion
started soemwhere in the
> >Babe thread (Deborah, did you say something a
while ago about the
> >archives getting a search facility .......it
would be nice). A quick
> >recap: the SB role does to a certain extent
fit both their
> >It also resonates with the idea of the
imprisoned heirs, only let
> >when it's time for them to rule, this is sort
of the dark side of
> >There are a plethora of barriers and mazes in
DS. Trying to take
> >Maree's sharp fingernails and bushlike hair,
seemingly part of a
> >strategy of retreat from, if not outright
avoidance, of human
> >Bristol's one way system, augmented by magic,
which delays their
> >meeting, then Wantchester's road network,
which prevents Maree and
> >finding the Hotel.
> >The receptionist's intransigence and the hotel
computer combining to
> >Maree a room at first.
> >Gram White's workings at the Hotel, which turn
the whole place into
> >Aglaia Uglaia, the spiky bush goddess of the
> >physical barriers and the barriers people put
up within. The
> >Maree's hotel room where Rupert sees the
thorns growing through
> >computer, her bed and even her teddybear is
one of the most
> >Dwj. We can see the teddy bear as
reperesenting Maree and what the
> >Goddess wants to do to her. And the thorn that
pierces the bear
> >the shuttle that puts Sleeping Beauty into her
> >Maree's trip to Babylon, saving both her
father and herself
> >the barrier between life and death.
> I really like that barrier and maze theme
you've worked out, Ven.
> Especially with the vine-growing magic Rupert
worked at the
> bus-station which you pointed out in a previous
I forgot to put this in. yes the bus station
barriers which trap the
car shopulfd be on this list
> >Finally, in reference to Cinderella, it's
striking that, if we take
> >sfcon to be the ball, it's Rupert trying to
stop her going there
> >the same working as to lure the other magid
candidates) and Janine
> >wicked "stepmother" who wants to get her
there. (I've got more to
> >aboput this later in a post to be titled DS
--Intentions and The
> Oh good.
I got half way through this and the thread of my
argument went all
frayed............... hopefully I can do
something with it.
.......... almost everyone is boring some kind of reader
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet
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