: Re: Polly and Nina (Fire and Hemlock, was Hexwood
vendersleighc at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 5 18:05:11 EST 2002
> >Ivy's appearance was something I'd never really
> >thougth about. My
> >mental image is the later, dressing-gowned, Ivy,
> >to seed. The
> >resemblance of their names has been remarked on
> >before, realising
> >that Ivy was originally a good looking, elegantly
> >groomed woman,
> >gives some plausibilty to the idea that that Ivy
> >was a
> >descendant of the Leroys. It also ties in nicely
> >the way that
> >Laurel was able to get at Ivy so well.
and Hallie replied
> Oh, surely Laurel wasn't the *only* nicely groomed
woman in the town? :)
> I think I'm just resistant to your interesting
theory, Ven, as I dislike
> Laurel (and her real-life type) so.
Unfortunately, she doesn't seem to
> need blood ties to be able to get at people, does
she? Of course, you
> could say that everyone we see her getting at IS
related, so I've no
> evidence to back up my quibble.
its a perfectly good quibble. However what I forgot to
say is that this theory also depends on the assumption
that Polly got her looks from Ivy and we already
accept the Polly is a similar type to Laurel idea.
Don't we (unsure who "we " is at this point!).
Lots snipped where me and Nat discuss Nina then Hallie
> Hmmm again. I'd tend to agree with vulgar - or at
least I think I
> would. Brash anyway.
Brash I would agree with. It sounds less judgemental
to me than vulgar. I suspect that my Mum would have
said Nina looked common --- if she'd forgotten that
it's common to say "common".
> >Hallie then said
> >> Hrmm... I see what you mean, but I have a hard
> >time fitting her
> >> very young self's envying Nina's looks with her
> >wanting to be
> >> judged on her physical attractiveness later.
> >Didn't it just mean she had grown up a bit?
snip where Hallie is responding more to Nat
The bit about Polly's looks I should probably
explain. I'm *not*
> saying that because Nina wears glasses and has
frizzy hair that I
> think Polly's prettier etc. It seems to me that
there is a very
> pointed telling narrative here, which sets up the
contrast not only
> on the basis of differentness, but also quite
specifically points out
> Polly as good-looking and Nina as not. Other people
may read that bit
> quite differently.
I think you are right about Nina at 10, I've always
thought that she improved through her teens.
.......... almost everyone is boring some kind of reader
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet
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