ven at vvcrane.fsnet.co.uk
Sat Sep 1 22:12:13 EDT 2001
..........................., but everyone I've heard from
> >> Wales had a really noticable accent - rather like a Cork or Kerry
> >> accent here. You'd never fail to notice one of them.
> >I have to disagree a bit Hallie.
> Oh well, if you have to, you have to, Ven. It's good to have you
> back anyway. :)
Oh, rotfl, should never have handed you the straight line should I?
> >I suspect Howl isn't quite as posh as my friend but iirc he
> >did go to university.
> Well, I'm glad you put this in, because otherwise I'd have had to
> disagree with you. :) Howl does not strike me as posh at all.
not at all, although I doubt he came from a rough or deprived
background either. I suspect he would have been in the first
generation of his family to go to university.
> >I also think that he is proficient at code
> >switching (sociolinguistics speak for changing speech patterns to
> >suit the company). I take the "Megan bach" that Jennifer refers to
> >as indicating that his accent has become more Welsh. (it's
> >demonstrable that the less formal the speech, the further it drifts
> >from the standard and informal speech is usual amongst family).
> Umm, but... If he was sounding more Welsh, it still doesn't explain why
> Sophie doesn't remark on the fact.
> It's actually that he calls Mari
> "cariad", rather than Megan "bach",I'm pretty sure - and then breaks into
> Welsh with Mari, while he always speaks English with Megan. Could it be a
> snobbish thing on *Megan's* part not to be very Welsh? Possibly - going
> into pure flights of speculation here - that came from their family, and
> Howl's mother was like Megan, and wanted the children to sound "refined",
> rather than Welsh. (A Dublin joke is calling this sounding "rathfeened",
> from the posh areas Rathgar and Rathmmines, and the mispronunciations
> involved in the attempt.) This is all more than a little OTT, but it's fun
> to think of Howl's childhood. :) Can't you imagine what a handful he
Someone has already wondered when he learned to slither out. I
suspect it was innate, starting with getting out of eating anything
he didn't like and not putting his toys away. And I bet it was Megan
who got lumbered while he got away with things.
magic, if present, can do almost anything
Diana Wynne Jones
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