Wined vs Winned

Philip.Belben at Philip.Belben at
Thu Jul 20 14:04:04 EDT 2000

On my third attempt, perhaps I'll get these two messages actually to reach the
list.  Aagh!


Tanaqui, having stated that she didn't understand my question, has answered it
far more lucidly than her previous attempts.

I only have minor quibbles left...

>+ What, of the meanings one associates with the tetragrammaton "wind", is the
>+ one Donne is using here?
> As many of them as he possibly can: that'd be Donne.

So don't assert so confidently that it's not that which blows!

>+ Not that I think Donne necessarily needs that justification.  But Tanaqui
>+ does, to be able to assert that it is "definitely" a device.
> Nah; Donne's definitely dead, and won't be able to dismiss my interpretation
> until the angels have complied with his demands in the _Sermons_ and
> re-assembled his physical form from its scattered particles.

:-) It's not on Donne's behalf that I require justification of you, believe me!

>+ That is closer, I must admit - a metaphor.  Translate it as "by what twist
>+ might an honest mind be advanced" and I begin to understand you.
> And a "twist" isn't a "wined"-device?

It is indeed - that's what I am getting at.  Paul's metaphor, that I rephrased,
is the first thing anyone has said that sheds any light on the association of
"wind" and "device" other than as a pulley.


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